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Pharao
02-16-2013, 03:12 PM
It has been happening vs the same player over and over again, have in mind the following:

1- we are the same level
2- the difference between my attack points "125679" and his defense points "117206" is relatively wide.
3- I have skill points at LEAST 60++ than my level!
4- there was no attack or defense boosts "the 15%" in this round! and i took 13 damage and he took 12!!!!!!!!

So is this game rigged for some people? if not then please explain why I keep losing this way VS the same player and the same player ONLY!

Your Equipment
1 x Night Guardian (169 Attack)
1 x Ground Fighter (168 Attack)
2 x RAF Fireteam (260 Attack)
1 x Old Campaigner (108 Attack)
2 x Counterintelligence Hunter (200 Attack)
1 x National Guard (80 Attack)
2 x Patriot (152 Attack)
2 x Undercover Sniper (130 Attack)
1 x SWAT Officer (52 Attack)
1 x Sniper Squad (22 Attack)
544 x Maneuver Officer (10880 Attack)
Total: 12221 attack

2 x The Avenger (410 Attack)
4 x Haunted Tank (800 Attack)
1 x Desert Tiger (142 Attack)
5 x Jararaca Scout (400 Attack)
5 x USMC Assault Breacher (315 Attack)
1 x Army Ambulance (62 Attack)
1 x Assault Army Truck (60 Attack)
5 x Missile Turret Vehicle (300 Attack)
5 x Leopard 2A6 (300 Attack)
5 x Primus Tank (285 Attack)
5 x Parade Armored Truck (275 Attack)
3 x Siege Tank (165 Attack)
702 x Desert Phoenix (37206 Attack)
Total: 40720 attack

4 x Santageddon (780 Attack)
1 x B1 Bomber (190 Attack)
3 x General Dynamics F-16 (549 Attack)
3 x The Flying Submarine (525 Attack)
1 x USAF Thunderbirds (170 Attack)
5 x RAH-66 Comanche (750 Attack)
2 x Lockheed A-12 (278 Attack)
7 x Honolulu Clipper (875 Attack)
1 x Fighter Falcon (118 Attack)
5 x F4 Phantom (550 Attack)
5 x Air Assault Apache (320 Attack)
5 x Mitsubishi AAM-4 (310 Attack)
2 x F111 (114 Attack)
514 x MIG-29A (26728 Attack)
Total: 32257 attack

1 x USS Missouri (BB-63) (175 Attack)
1 x Sea Monitor (89 Attack)
3 x Texan Oil Tanker (234 Attack)
1 x PT Boat (72 Attack)
1 x Merchandise Ship (70 Attack)
270 x Fast Attack Craft (12420 Attack)
95 x Ballistic Missile Submarine (3990 Attack)
Total: 17050 attack

5 x M6 7.62mm Machine Gun (590 Attack)
5 x MP5 Rifle (585 Attack)
1 x Army Penknife (116 Attack)
5 x Grenade Present Box (575 Attack)
1 x FAMAS Rifle (115 Attack)
5 x Golden AK47 (575 Attack)
5 x Scattergun (555 Attack)
5 x Submachine Gun (550 Attack)
5 x PM M1910 (540 Attack)
4 x AK-47 (420 Attack)
5 x M24 Sniper (525 Attack)
5 x Police Officer Gear (500 Attack)
1 x Railway Machinegun (65 Attack)
10 x Grenade Launcher (360 Attack)
496 x M29 Rifle (17360 Attack)
Total: 23431 attack

Their Equipment
1 x Old Campaigner (140 Defense)
2 x SWAT Officer (52 Defense)
541 x Naval Infantry (12984 Defense)
14 x Foreign Legion Infantryman (266 Defense)
Total: 13442 defense

1 x Gun Wagon (145 Defense)
1 x M2000 Abrams (141 Defense)
1 x Army Ambulance (107 Defense)
1 x Goliath T1 (75 Defense)
5 x Front Line Ambulance (325 Defense)
5 x Armored Bulldozer (300 Defense)
1 x Desert Tiger (56 Defense)
1 x AT-Goliath (55 Defense)
5 x M1078 Truck (265 Defense)
5 x Chinese Ground-to-air Vehicle (265 Defense)
678 x T-1 (33222 Defense)
23 x Missile Launcher Vehicle (1058 Defense)
1 x Anti-aircraft Truck (45 Defense)
5 x Merkava MK4 (215 Defense)
1 x Mobile Missile Launcher (42 Defense)
1 x T-21 Cobra (30 Defense)
1 x Hummer (30 Defense)
3 x Assault Army Truck (87 Defense)
5 x BTR-90 (140 Defense)
Total: 36603 defense

2 x Atomic Airplane (226 Defense)
1 x Sukhoi SU-33 (94 Defense)
1 x Mi-24 (73 Defense)
5 x FA-Marine Hornet (295 Defense)
521 x Apache (28134 Defense)
5 x C12 Huron (245 Defense)
5 x Avenger (245 Defense)
5 x Sea Stallion Hellicopter (230 Defense)
13 x Storm Falcon (520 Defense)
Total: 30062 defense

1 x Cargo Freighter (107 Defense)
1 x Light Cruiser (82 Defense)
1 x Sea Monitor (54 Defense)
360 x Heavy Cruiser (14400 Defense)
9 x Supercarrier (315 Defense)
Total: 14958 defense

1 x Desert Boots (197 Defense)
5 x Ranger Cap (600 Defense)
5 x Interceptor Body Armor (575 Defense)
5 x Ammo Box (535 Defense)
5 x Scout Backpack (515 Defense)
5 x Jungle Gear (485 Defense)
1 x Compass (95 Defense)
5 x Radio Helmet (470 Defense)
5 x Gun Holster (430 Defense)
3 x Camouflaged Helmet (186 Defense)
147 x Paratrooper Rucksack (5439 Defense)
371 x Helicopter Pilot Helmet (12614 Defense)
Total: 22141 defense

Machiavelli
02-16-2013, 11:01 PM
I've told you this ONCE BEFORE... it's NOT just the combined total of your units. Your defensive or attack skill points modifies it somehow also. I don't know the formula. But if it were just army verses army combined totals, you'd be right for griping. But this is NOT the case. You must also consider ATT Skill points modification percentages, (they affect the whole amount or some part of each unit), and the DEF Skill points, (which do the same). Plus any bonus items.
Purchase a stronger army. PUT MORE SKILL POINTS IN ATTACK. Stop griping when we all keep telling you the same thing.

SHERRY DIESEL
02-17-2013, 12:30 AM
i REALLY THINK THIS IS EITHER RIGGED, LIKE HE SAID, OR HACKED, OR A SERIOUS BUG, BY A PROBABILITY OF A PLAYER THAT WANTS TO WIN, POSSIBLE AN AGGRESSIVE CRAZY ONE.
THAT WHICH, BY ODDS, AND THE POINTER WAS MOVED WHILE I WAS ON EARLIER, ALSO MY LEVEL AND NAME CHANGED, AFTER I WAS BACK FROM DINNER WITH MY ITALIAN SON.
IT WAS ALSO OVIOUS, I HAD ALREADY HAD MADE SEVERAL REPEATED "FORCED TO, HAD TO", DO OVER..THE FOUR TIMES ON THE SAME ITEMS, TWICE TO THREE TIMES AGAIN. YES, I WAS ABOUT TO STOP, BUT LIKE USUAL THE OWNER ISN'T WITH ME, AND HOW AM I TO SPEAK OUT? AFTER ALL, WHY ELSE IS IT MAINLY THE FEMALES WIN ONCE..AS ALSO I DO NOT GET THE GIFTS GIVEN BY THE PLAYERS..AS I LOOK AND UNFORTUNATE I FOUND IT OCCUR ON THE OTHER GAME..SHALL I ADD AN ISSUE WITH THE GAMES IN GENERAL..LETS PAY FOR NOTHING IF THE NOTHINGS DON'T PLAY OR PAY OUT..IT HAS TO GIVE SOMETHING AND NOT CHANGE AMOUNTS OR REMOVE WHAT YOU ALREADY DID AND SAY SORRY ERROR WHILE IN COMBAT NO HEALTH, WHEN YOU HAVE HEALTH OR THE SAME WITH ENERGY..ETC..GOLD..HIGHER..CANNOT FIND UNTIL, YOU NEED IT.
MAYBE, I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I TRY, BUT AS FAR AS THE WAR, MEN, WHAT GOOD IF IT DOES NOT PLAY, AS GAMBLING AT THE POKER GAMES IS LESS STRATEGY..BUT SIMULAR TO THE DICE, MEANING THERE IS NOT A WINNER HERE THEN, MEN.

james henderson
02-17-2013, 06:03 AM
I've told you this ONCE BEFORE... it's NOT just the combined total of your units. Your defensive or attack skill points modifies it somehow also. I don't know the formula. But if it were just army verses army combined totals, you'd be right for griping. But this is NOT the case. You must also consider ATT Skill points modification percentages, (they affect the whole amount or some part of each unit), and the DEF Skill points, (which do the same). Plus any bonus items.
Purchase a stronger army. PUT MORE SKILL POINTS IN ATTACK. Stop griping when we all keep telling you the same thing.
You may have told it once before, or a hundered times before.
You also tell that you dont know the formula.
Pharao has a right to gripe, when you see you have the numbers, I gripe, as I have the numbers, to the tune of over 100,000 in some cases, and I still lose.
Tell, tyou what, find out the formula, inform us how it works, as it is just a dice game and personally, I'm pissed off with it

Joel Vanwijnsberghe
02-17-2013, 07:02 AM
james i can tell you some players have 3 times def or att skill there level , some players have them both in att and def ; attic general , tommy gun and me are immortal cause we have them both
thats why you lost , you have only 1 time your level skills , nobody know the battle formula and dev will never tell ,
keep having fun all

Iron Nuts
02-17-2013, 08:39 AM
Damn Sherry there is no way you are an A student. No one has any idea what you posted, get off the Meth. This topic was posted by me several months ago. Admin will not tell the formula, but did say you need to add 1 skill points to each of the category every time you level up.

Iron Nuts
02-17-2013, 08:45 AM
Here is the response from admin
Hello,
There was no post like this deleted or closed in the past weeks. It may have encountered an error or been picked up by the spam filter.

The answer to your question is that final attack and defense values are not directly compared alone, but only after the game has taken into account the influence of the skills. In this particular fight, the difference between the total attack - which is 136191 - and the defense - which is 137246 - is not that big, so plenty of influence was left for the skills.
Hope this helps.

Pharao
02-17-2013, 01:20 PM
hey Mach, I guess you missed the part where I said my ATT and Def skill points are way over my skill level "By at least 60 points" (I will not state the actual amount for obvious reasons) and My army always have the max amount of the top units in ATT and DEF. for my level!!!

Joel Vanwijnsberghe
02-17-2013, 02:14 PM
hey pharao hit me , want to see what you have :-)

RAS-Tommy Gun
02-17-2013, 09:20 PM
I think some people seriously under estimate the power and affect that skill points have on a battle. Pharoa- are you saying that your attack and defense points are at least 60 points above your game level of 187? so that would be atleast 247 attck skill points or maybe even 300 right?. that's not good enough. your win percentage is at 97% so clearly you win alot. But WHen you lose it doesnt mean there's a glitch in the game or somethin is fucked up, it just means you ran into someone tougher then you. His units may not be as strong as yours but obviously his skill points are higher. once in a while you will run into someone who only cares about defense and does not put any points into attack. if you keep your attack and defense even and you are a balanced player then you will have trouble with these type of "defense turtles". I think at a bare minimum your attack and defense should be at least double your level. I know of a few players who have both attack and defense points that are more then 5 times their level.

Pharao
02-17-2013, 11:41 PM
Hey Tommy, very good analysis.. need i say more? thanks for the feedback!

AtticGeneral
02-18-2013, 01:37 PM
she speaks the truth. she did nail it. and lmao joel,

Machiavelli
02-21-2013, 08:02 AM
RAS-Tommy Gun speaks the truth. I've beat the snot out of some players, had my butt handed to me by others, and am in a constant state of war, (win some, lose some, and never the same outcome for the same player either), with some players due to how we keep changing our stats, (by adding skill points), and by changing our military strength, (by purchasing units).
Some players just sit there and don't level, (I did that for a while and drove everyone around me leveling by me completely nuts), because they can collect base income, build up a good army, and also collect the three gold daily and apply that to skill points, (15 gold equals 5 skill points), which can make a strong player even stronger.
NO, I do NOT know the formula. I just like to play games like this so I've gotten moderately good at it. I say, "moderately", because there are quite a few other players out there that are much better than me.
But work on your skill points. Work on your army. Decide if you want to be an attack only, defense only, or balanced player. Then stick with it and have fun. You WILL find people out there that can hand your arse to you. I have. Irritates the hell out of me when I do, (I hate losing), but that's life. You win some, you lose some. The big thing is not giving up until you're dead...

Machiavelli

Joel Vanwijnsberghe
02-23-2013, 07:36 AM
hey tommy , i did say 3 times your level , so they not run away , now you speak true and say 5 times your level ,
you want they all despered and Quit the game? moehahahaaa